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Fran Lebowitz
Interviewed by
E. Jean Carroll
Our most opinionated social critic holds forth on hell, the perfect apartment and sex in its lowest forms
Originally published in the Jul 1984 issue of Playboy magazine
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Fran Lebowitz

Her two widely acclaimed books, Metropolitan Life and Social Studies, plus her frequent television appearances, have established Fran Lebowitz as one of America's most wise-assed humorists. E. Jean Carroll spent several days with her in New York. Carroll told us later, "Fran wanted this to be called 20 Answers."

Q 1

PLAYBOY: What's the novel you're writing?

Fran Lebowitz: The title is Exterior Signs of Wealth, but I may just call it Art. That's if it comes out the way I want it. If it doesn't, I'm going to call it Craft.

Q 2

PLAYBOY: What goes on in hell, Fran? What does it look like?

Fran Lebowitz: Hell looks like the girl's gym at my high school. In hell, I am taking gym, but I also have a book due. That's my idea of hell. I hated gym in high school. We had the standard-model gym teachers: paramilitary. They thought the same thing of my athletic ability as I thought of their literary ability. We had basketball, field hockey, gymnastics, rope climbing--rope climbing I refused. I refused even to attempt it. I said, "I refuse to die before my first book comes out." And I was terrible in basketball. I was short and white. My grandparents did not come to this country steerage so that I could run around playing basketball. We already got out of the ghetto. We didn't have to continue the process.

So that is the main reason I don't like sports. To me, sports is just gym with different uniforms. It's gym for adults.

Q 3

PLAYBOY: How do you know when you are falling in love as opposed to coming down with something?

Fran Lebowitz: There's practically no distinction: You need penicillin for both. The main symptom of falling in love is that you lose your intellectual prowess. That's why there are all those words surrounding lovers--"falling in love," "lovesick," "love crazy." I love being in love. I don't think anything compares with it, though I consider it very disruptive. I am a cheerier person when I'm in love, and I think I'm a good person to be in love with. I'm a very, um, entertaining conversationalist. I'm an excellent present giver. Even if I have no money, I give excellent presents. That means I'm good at borrowing, too. I'm, ah, a very good recipient of gifts. A more frequent recipient. I'm better at receiving. And I smoke, so I have something to do afterward.

Q 4

PLAYBOY: Do you go out and buy new underwear when you fall in love?

Fran Lebowitz: I'm not a fanatic.

Q 5

PLAYBOY: Are you jealous? What makes you jealous?

Fran Lebowitz: Romantically? I have an average, really average, common amount of sexual jealousy. I don't have an extreme amount, and I'm not that jealous at all. What makes me jealous? The slightest shift in attention.

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